Those TTAG readers who have followed the issue of bump stocks and banning the devices will likely recall that in mid-June the U.S. Supreme Court struck down the ban implemented during Donald Trump’s first presidency.
In the 6-3 decision, the court ruled that a bump stock does not magically turn a semi-automatic firearm into a “machine gun,” which could be regulated under the Gun Control Act.
Unlike some recent gun-rights cases before the Supreme Court, this case did not involve the Second Amendment right to bear arms but a federal law that defines a machine gun as any weapon that can fire “more than one shot,” “automatically,” and “by a single function of the trigger.”
In his majority opinion, Justice Clarence Thomas explained that each time a shooter fires a rifle, the shooter must “release pressure from the trigger and allow it to reset before re-engaging the trigger for another shot.” The bump stock, he wrote, “merely reduces the amount of time that elapses between separate ‘functions’ of the trigger” by allowing the shooter to quickly press the trigger again.
True to form, less than a week later, Democrats in the U.S. Senate were already attempting to pass legislation banning the devices again. Only strong opposition by Republicans stalled the measure, prompting gun-hating Sen. Chuck Schumer to castigate Republican senators for their lack of support.
Now, anti-gun Democrats are at it again. According to a report at wsbtv.com, federal lawmakers were back to debating the issue late last week, with lawmakers on Capitol Hill hearing from a survivor of the Las Vegas shooting, anti-gun advocates and gun-rights supporters on the issue.
At the hearing, Democrat U.S. Sen. Dick Durbin criticized the U.S. Supreme Court and the justices who struck down the ban.
“The Republican-appointed Justices concluded wrongly, in my view, that the Trump administration could not define bump stocks as machine guns under the National Firearms Act,” Durbin said. Fortunately, just because Durbin thinks that doesn’t mean it’s true.
While Senate Democrats are pushing for a bill that would make it clear that the National Firearms Act includes bump stocks, which it does not, Republican opposition is likely to doom such a measure from the start. Still, the bill has already been filed and could be considered in the upcoming 2025 session.
In the end, it is unlikely that Democrats will be able to ram through a bump stock ban, giving the clean sweep by Republicans on election day, capturing the U.S. Senate, retaining the U.S. House majority and winning the presidency. And it’s unlikely Trump would push such a ban again since that’s about the only anti-gun move he made during his first presidency.
Equally unlikely is that the Supreme Court will let such a ban stand if Democrats manage to pass one, given the court’s earlier ruling on the matter.
Republicans need to respond to this bill by filing a bill of their own that mandates a 60-day amnesty to register machine guns every calendar year. Bring them out of the shadows and get them properly documented. There are probably more undocumented machine guns in the United States then there are undocumented immigrants. Every single person that I know who has a transferable machine gun also has a couple of clones of that gun with the exact same serial number and they never keep them in the same place at the same time.
Republicans need to respond to this bill by filing a bill of their own that ends the NFA et. seq.
There, fixed it for ya.
Gman
The rationale for suggesting what I suggested is that we would be adopting the language frequently used by the Democrats and throwing it back in their face.
The one important fact about the anti gunners is that if……If they had half a brain, they’d be…..half-wits !
When I was a kid most of the adults in my circle had been in ww2 or Korea. Sometimes both. The bringbacks were something else. I doubt many of those had any paper trail at all.
I dated a young lady back in the 90s whose father served in Vietnam. we had been dating about 6 months when we went down into the basement that I had been to may times. He stood there quietly for a few seconds then said, ” I’m going to show you something but you must swear to never tell anyone. I agreed and he walked over to a large cabinet and slide it to one side. Behind that cabinet was a steel vault door. He opened the door and turned on the lights. What was inside took my breath away. Fully automatic firearms of every description as well as 3 M72 LAW and a MA-2 with cases of ammo stacked floor to ceiling. It was then that I found out he had been a member of Seal Team K-74888 in Vietnam. Unfortunately me and his daughter broke up a couple of years later and he passed away about 10 years ago. I never found out what happened to all that ordinance and I’m not real sure his daughter was even aware of it. God Rest his soul. we miss you Buzz.
I like the idea of opening the registry, it would be nice to have and machine gun options besides pre-hughes 80s relics that cost tens of thousands, or needing a SOT to either manufacturer or transfer dealer only guns or the law letter demos.
It does seem a little strange with NFA stuff, registered per weapon, if you can legally have one short barrelled rifle, but having a second isn’t unless registered. If you are safe to own one, no problem with multiples right? The alternative would be some type of license, all you can eat, but then if they pulled your license, your collection is bad, plus what if you forget to renew, how much does that cost… I don’t trust them to implement such a thing without making it even worse than the current situation. Either repeal Hughes and NFA weapons, or best to leave it as is.
Congress really doesn’t have the authority to regulate firearms. They had to take a circuitous route to doing so by doing it through their powers of Taxation and the interstate commerce clause. the interstate commerce clause was created to prevent States from implementing tariffs on other states and it wasn’t intended to give the federal government omnipotent regulatory power over every single thing that exists. Congress does have unchecked taxation power but they do not have the authority to tax a fundamental Civil Right.
They are not taxing the right, not directly, under the NFA, they are taxing the weapon itself. Since we are taxed federally for conservation, plus state and local sales tax, so it is not unconstitutional.
The tax is not on the weapon. The tax is on you for the right of taking possession of it.
For transfer the tax is not on the ‘firearm’ and is on the right (as in ‘ability’ of right to exercise of property ownership and constitutional right under the 2A) to take possession of it.
Its classed as a ‘transfer tax’ if you procure or take possession or receive it without buying.
If you build/construct/create it (by other than qualified manufacturers of firearms) then its classed as a ‘making tax’ .
They are only taxing the weapon its self (inclusive of the right to procure/posses as if transfer) in addition if you ‘make it’ then its classed as a ‘making tax’.
correction and more correctly…
Its classed as a ‘transfer tax’ if you procure or take (ownership control type) possession if you buy it or not.
You sure do know a lot of criminals………..
The whole thing is preposterous. It’s an act of physics fundamentally tied to how any small arm operates and despite our best efforts Newtons laws cannot be legislated away.
Either everyone promoting this ban is too stupid to pass high school physics or they’re actually working on yet another full gun ban foothold and believe everyone else to be too stupid to notice. Arguing over finger pulls, resets, rates of fire, etc… is all pointless masturbation. The physical action occurs no matter what and can be harnessed by anyone using any number of everyday objects or no objects at all. The fact that our alleged officials would spend so much energy arguing over legislative details that can in no way alter the physical world should be an embarrassment. Next they’ll be arguing Superman vs. Batman at taxpayer expense.
It’s like they’re trying to legislate the wheel because somebody rolled one too quickly and some idiot got scared.
If democrats, et al, can’t see/understand the difference between automatic and semi-automatic, should they succeed in getting this bill passed, they will then declare semi-automatics to be machine guns. These people lack the intelligence to understand/comprehend simple English including the words in the 2nd Amendment. They are good/bad at twisting and I am not talking about the ‘dance’.
Unfortunately there are a lot of pro-bump stock ban Republicans, from Trump, sen Rick Scott, Florida Republican leadership, obviously NRA was supporting and encouraging it like Ms. Hammer and Wayne. Even on these online forums bump stocks and machine guns seem to be treated as ammo wasters and it seems like a lot of gun owners aren’t bothered much by a ban, at least in the comments.
A decent number of states, even Republican led passed extra bump stock bans in case the federal ban was overturned, “double banned.”
I would think given the chance Trump or most Republicans would ban them again if they didn’t get too much push back, maybe as a trade for something they want.
I think bump stocks, pistol braces, as well as new machine guns and SBRs should be legal and deregulated but I don’t think that is a priority or agreed with by Republican leadership. Not on the platform, I don’t see that mentioned as a vision by prospective campaigns or platforms, usually not much other than “we won’t take your guns like Biden and Kamala!” and national reciprocity, maybe dabble in HPA but that’s about it.
I’ll speak on this. I trust republicans only a bit more than Dims. SEE:Vietnam and all the pointless mideast adventures. As well as Ukraine. Clearly Europe hasn’t stepped up with notable exceptions IE Britain.
I think DeSantis will nominate a pro-2A ally as the next senator. I was hoping Rick Scott would be appointed to the Trump admin to take him out of the senate.
The democrats don’t want to pass a bump stock ban to ban bump stocks but to re define what a machine gun is which would be pretty much anything that can potentially increase the rate of fire of a semi automatic firearm such as shorter reset, lighter trigger, etc. Buyer beware of what they will try to do.
…to redefine a semi-auto as “readily convertible”…
At the time bump stock crybabies did not understand it was either bump stocks going under the bus or include a laundry list of other items including the Franklin Binary trigs advertised on this forum. By EO POTUS DJT left the door open for a court to decide bump stocks which eventually went in the favor of Rights. Funny how those the knee jerk finger pointing crybabies demonized did not have a cow over the reversal.
Since the crybabies have a problem with being told facts the below attorney explains POTUS DJT and bump stocks. Bump stock info comes later in the video so educate yourselves…connect the h…
h ttps://youtube.com/watch?v=7QM9jCCW1V4&feature=shared
I think he goofed. Badly. Bump stocks were a nice scape goat, NRA was cool with it, Republicans didn’t want to face crowd to “do something” but here is the thing, Trump could have said sure let’s ban it… and then around when the first request for comment period and final rule were published, could have easily dropped it. The clamour to do something was gone by then, and GOA and other groups were all urging him not to do it. Could have easily said “in light of the comments and everything since proposing this, we don’t really need this” and drop it. He kept ramming it in, even taking credit for it. Not good leadership if he didn’t believe in it to punt it to courts to sort out over years and millions of dollars, lost jobs, business impact etc.
And it provided cover for Biden for his unlawful EOs.
Still arguing.
What is what is not.
The Second Amendment does not allow a government to control what weapons a United States citizen can possess.
Our daddies gave them the inch they needed with the NFA out of ignorance and trust.
What Constitutional Rights are our children or great grandchildren going to be allowed to have?
The “gun community” has never ever supported machine gun ownership for the civilian population. They never supported anyone having “a range toy.”
Which tells me they don’t believe you can have fun, and be responsible with guns at the same time.
Never forget. Nancy Pelosi ordered machine guns to be used, to defend the capital against peaceful protesters. She didn’t like.
And the “gun community” is comfortable with only the government having machine guns.
“Nancy Pelosi ordered machine guns to be used, to defend the capital against peaceful protesters“
That’s one I hadn’t heard.
I thought you guys were saying that Nancy Pelosi blocked the military from responding to the insurrection.
Now you’re saying she ordered them to use automatic weapons?
I believe he’s referring to Jan 7th, when Democrats discovered that physical barriers and a heavy security presence actually work. Or perhaps they’ve known all along which is why they freak out over border barriers and law enforcement officers. They love their barriers and security personnel to protect themselves though.
So Nancy should’ve ordered the National Guard in on January 6, but she was wrong to order the National Guard in on January 7?
I didn’t realize a member of the House of Representatives had control of the National Guard, I thought only the president could activate the national guard?
But in any case, it’s time to celebrate Donald Trump nominating another billionaire to his government:
“President-elect Donald Trump has offered the Treasury secretary position to billionaire Scott Bessent, according to two sources familiar with the matter.
Bessent, 62, advised Trump on economic policy on the campaign trail and is the founder of hedge fund Key Square Capital Management.”
And the best part, he got his start with George Soros:
“Before that, he was the chief investment officer at Soros Fund Management, a hedge fund started by Democratic megadonor George Soros”
Interesting choice by Donald…
A report on the riot, authored by House Republicans in 2022, found that Democratic leadership had concerns over the “optics” of having National Guard troops present at the Capitol in the aftermath of the summer 2020 Black Lives Matter protests.
Then, after Jan 6, they suddenly discovered that they were thrilled with the optics of 25,000 troops, fencing, and barbed wire. Check the link for photos. Why is Pelosi so prominent in those photos?
h ttps://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2021/national-guard-capitol-hill/
“A report on the riot, authored by House Republicans… “
You mean the house Republicans that were working to block the certification of the election?
And regardless of the ‘optics’ Nancy Pelosi had no authority to either call out the National Guard or send them home. Only the president has the executive authority to activate the National Guard.
It was President Donald Trump‘s duty to activate the national guard, but all he did was watch the violent insurrection in the United States Capitol for three hours and was derelict in his duty to respond and protect the capital.
He didn’t do shit as the violent insurrectionists were attacking police officers, parading with the confederate flag through the halls of the United States Capitol and smearing shit on the walls.
Convicted of 34 felonies. Led a violent insurrection. Yet the American people felt that he was a better president than harris would be.
Have you ever stopped, just for a second, to consider why, miner?
Fascinating how you know all this but still you work to give just that much more to the gop.
TDS really has driven you over the edge.
Fake felonies they are too chicken shit to sentence for opinion discarded.
Never forget they said Biden was too senile to be tried for the crimes he committed. Unlike Trump, Biden wasn’t the POTUS when he took classified material. In other words, it was a REAL crime, unlike what they were trying to pin on Trump. It’s almost like these were get Trump operations by Democrats. They’re willing to tear the country apart for power.
“Threat to democracy” was the number one issue for Democrats this election. Yet, they tried their best to prosecute, bankrupt, and jail for life their political opponent. Don’t forget how the Dems tried to keep him off the ballot in various ways. That is literally a threat to democracy. Dem voters are so confused. Propaganda works.
“Pelosi had no authority”
You don’t understand how things work. The person in charge of security is the Sergeant-at-Arms. Guess who that person answered to? Speaker Pelosi. And Trump did suggest Guard troops there ahead of time. (Why wasn’t that reported until much later?) Now why would an “insurrectionist” want extra security? Hmm. It’s almost like they’re lying to you. Again. And you believe it because you want to believe it. Again. Explain to us again how the Russia Hoax was real. That never gets old. If only Mueller’s dream team of top Democrat lawyers had you…
The former chief of U.S. Capitol Police says security officials at the House and Senate rebuffed his early requests to call in the National Guard ahead of a demonstration in support of President Trump that turned into a deadly attack on Congress.
Sund told the Post that House Sergeant-at-Arms Paul Irving was concerned with the “optics” of declaring an emergency ahead of the protests and rejected a National Guard presence.
Sund says he requested assistance six times ahead of and during the attack on the Capitol. Each of those requests was denied or delayed, he says.
Washington, D.C., Mayor Muriel Bowser also wanted a light police presence at the Capitol. She reportedly wanted to avoid a similar scenario as last summer, when federal forces responded to demonstrators opposed to police abuses who assembled near the White House.
Post Jan 6, they suddenly decided that they like the optics of a war zone. Look at the pictures in the link. Look how proud Pelosi looks.
“Only the president has the executive authority to activate the National Guard.”
100% false
There is no such presidential executive authority to activate the National Guard.
The president doesn’t actually ‘activate’ the national guard nor can the president do so.
The president can ‘mobilize’ the national guard by federalizing them under Title 10 and call them into federal service under federal authority, but the president doesn’t ‘activate’ the national guard and can’t. Only the state governor can actually activate their national guard, even if the president federalizes them and calls them into federal service it still takes the governor to activate their national guard to respond to being federalized. Plus, without being called into federal service the governor can still activate their own national guard, even if federal government objects, to serve for a purpose within the governors jurisdiction or join with other national guard units from other states.
“It was President Donald Trump‘s duty to activate the national guard”
100% False. The president has not such duty to activate the national guard and can’t. I described above.
However, despite the previous ‘fact checks’ claiming President Trump did not call for national guard – it was discovered during the house hearings from evidence the democrats tried to hide and from testimony that Trump did indeed call for national guard to be deployed before Jan 6th because large crowds were expected on Jan 6th and later on inauguration day (this is common, the admin usually calls for some amount of national guard to augment police for crowd control if large crowds are to be expected, sometimes its granted and the troops are kept out of sight unless needed and sometimes its not granted).
While Trump never formally requested 10,000 National Guard troops, then-acting Secretary of Defense Christopher Miller stated that Trump brought up the figure in conversation on the night before Jan. 6. However, Trump had also already requested national guard be deployed.
and… also discovered during the house hearings, on Jan 6th when things started happening Trump again requested national guard be deployed.
for the DC National Guard, they are under control of the Sec of Defense. DC isn’t a state so doesn’t have a governor.
It’s a fact Chris more people have been killed by government employees then anyone else and if they can’t get the military to do it they make up some kind of bureau that nobody wanted for to do it.
I’m waiting to see what this White House Gun Violence Prevention thing Joe Biden set up is all about.
IMO if Trump doesn’t disband it I’ll have my doubts on where he really stands.
Most gun ranges don’t allow full auto weapons at their facility. Because the insurance is too expensive.
In ten minutes, Stephen Paddox fired more than 1,000 rounds, killing 60 people and wounding at least 413.
This was only possible because he used bump stocks.
People drown in water. Let’s ban water.
You fascists are so low intellect.
But regardless jwm, he would’ve never achieved that rate of fire without the use of bump stocks.
Sadly, the lack of accurate fire using bump stocks was not an issue in the target rich environment of the outdoor concert.
Therefore, some law or regulation?
Without the bump stocks his rate of fire may have been slower yet he very well may have achieved more hits with that slower rate. The crowd wasn’t going anywhere in a hurry. Bumpstocks may have saved lives.
Which is besides the point. In a free society I cannot be punished for a crime I was not involved with. What crime did I commit to have bumpstocks denied to me?
There is a reason I call you a fascist, miner. Because in truth you are a fascist.
“he very well may have achieved more hits with that slower rate… Bumpstocks may have saved lives.”
From the ridiculous to the absurd.
Good thing the wounded and the loved ones of those killed in Las Vegas can’t hear your unhinged bullshit.
By the way, gas today in West Virginia is $2.48 a gallon and eggs $3.97/doz, let’s see where we are after the inauguration, Y’all promised prices will come down so we’ll see how this all goes in a couple months.
Sam’s Club
1100 Grand Central Ave
Vienna, WV
1 (304) 295-0280
Station Prices
Regular
$2.48
Walmart in Charleston has eggs at $3.97 a dozen today.
Tell me you never shot any form of select fire or simulation thereof without telling me.
I’m pretty sure Miner served in the military.
@Miner If your measure of success is gas prices, then Trump has already won, and Biden has already lost by comparing Trump’s previous term with Biden’s current one.
It was possible because he converted semiautos to full auto the correct way instead of with some hokey gimmick accessory.
“he converted semiautos to full auto the correct way“
Really? That was not my understanding, you have a source document or citation regarding this?
I have seen the weapons with my own eyes and have held them in my own hands. Who do you think I work for?
Out of the box AKs and FALs can shoot faster than bumpstocked ARs, their FCG design is “superior”.
First time I fired my Valmet M62 at the range, people thought I had a machine gun, had to show RO it was not. Don’t do rapid fire anymore….it’s very bad if you get a squib.
You keep crying about squibs but outside of Russian steel case never saw one and fired thousands through various belt feds so not sure what you are so afraid of.